Monks Ferry: a layout for the Grandchildren.

jonte

Western Thunderer
By way of an interim post, and to show yet another example of my displeasure with many of my attempts, I’ve taken the liberty of posting the following:

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As mentioned previously, the remaining window apertures have been cut and a start made on decorating the surrounds. I’d decided not to repeat those to the rear but to attempt other Georgian window features just for my own interest.

To this end, and in preparation, I’d purchased a couple of packets of 1.5mm half round (Evergreen) on my recent visit to the local(?) model shop. They’re based on a ‘plinth’ of thin styrene offcut, cut to size with an apperture for the window plus a half milli overlap between the half round and the aperture. Finally, this was edged in the thinnest material to hand which is 0.75mm thick.

With a total edge thickness of only 2.75mm, which made the individual parts difficult to fabricate, it still looks too ‘thick’ and clumsy. Additionally, the styrene cement has dissolved the half milli edge inside parts. Despite this, I went ahead and glued it on before bed last night instead of sleeping on it. In the cold light of day, I’ve realised that even for the careworn look I’m opting for, it just won’t cut the mustard and so at the next visit, I’ll have to cut them off and try something else; probably more akin to the surrounds displayed on the windows of Oxford Road seen previously, and which the model is based on.

I suppose I could pop back to the model shop next time it opens to see if there’s a slightly thinner version of the material, but with an overall trip of 50 miles or so, I doubt it’s worth it for something that would be even more difficult to fabricate, being finer in form. Another option, closer to home, is to go cap in hand to my nephew who has a printer and clever design skills……..but where’s the fun in that?

Cheers for now.

jonte
 

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
If your passport is up to date , New Brighton Model Shop at the bottom of Victoria Rd have a good stock of Evergreen. I got some very small half rounds for N gauge guttering not long ago. They also have a cafe adjacent and free parking on the nearby prom…. Might be nearer for you and it's a trip out to the seaside!

Keep on trucking though, it's going to be terrific.

Rapid iteration, try it, chuck it, try something else, took us from completely disposable space rockets to the reusable Falcon 9 which is now flying to orbit every other day and landing on a tiny barge 500 miles out in the ocean, with one now up to 35 flights (another hobby).

Cheers
John
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
If your passport is up to date , New Brighton Model Shop at the bottom of Victoria Rd have a good stock of Evergreen. I got some very small half rounds for N gauge guttering not long ago. They also have a cafe adjacent and free parking on the nearby prom…. Might be nearer for you and it's a trip out to the seaside!

Keep on trucking though, it's going to be terrific.

Rapid iteration, try it, chuck it, try something else, took us from completely disposable space rockets to the reusable Falcon 9 which is now flying to orbit every other day and landing on a tiny barge 500 miles out in the ocean, with one now up to 35 flights (another hobby).

Cheers
John

Hi John, and many thanks for the heads-up :thumbs:

The problem there is payment of tunnel fees each way (I’ve always argued that there should be free access for those with Merseyside postcodes, but there you go!). However, as a bus/train pass holder I/we can travel free on the train or - as previously with my granddaughter- via the ferry. When we get tired walking along the prom, we can wander up to the main road (Seabank Road? My late elder sister lived there many years ago with her family before emigrating to Devon ;)) and hop on the bus.

Incidentally, memories of a recent trip to New Brighton still bring me out in a cold-sweat. We popped over with my sister and brother in law who were up from Dorset and staying with us. As a blue badge holder, we were able to park on the prom near to the cafes on the front which was busier than I’ve ever seen due to the odd sunny day. The driver behind politely stopped to allow me to reverse into a speck which was occupied by other vehicles whose drivers had failed to park centrally within the lines, thus making it harder to alight, especially for my brother in law. Not wanting to hinder the driver any longer, I thanked him and waved him on. Although vision to the road was restricted by adjacent vehicles, I slowly edged forward in an attempt to manoeuvre the vehicle to more favourable position, at least until I could get a better view. Suddenly, there was the screeching of brakes, as the front wheel of a pedal cycle stopped within a hair’s breadth of my wing just short of the headlamp. It transpired that the cyclist had been full pelt, head down without leaving a margin of error with parked vehicles and weaving in and out of heavy pedestrian traffic on the road (it’s more pedestrianised at this point). I pulled forward to see if the guy was okay at which point he began effing and jeffing and gesticulating, obviously in shock. It was apparent from his attire that he wasn’t a keen ‘cyclist’ but someone out for a jaunt/keep fit. Trying to explain myself, he suddenly clenched his fist and pulled his arm back, obviously in an attempt to punch me through my open window. He was a big guy too, not one of our usual slight hobby cyclists. Thankfully, a hobby cyclist who’d been following but not a party to him, stopped and grabbing his elbow attempted to remonstrate with him. Still cursing and swearing, he shrugged himself free and rode off pretty much in the manner he’d approached :eek: I shall always be grateful to the passing cyclist as being trapped in my seat with seat belt in place, I’d have been a sitting duck.

Anyway, I transgress.

If you’ve still got connections with the Space programme, John, please let them know if they’re looking for future candidates for space travel, having been a spaceman for many years now ;)

Cheers,

Jon
 

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
Good gracious Jon that sounds like a dreadful experience - a lucky escape indeed - and I agree with you about the tunnel tolls, as a commuter, I've paid for at least one of the bores single-handed over the years!

It looks like another lovely day ahead, so more gardening is on the cards, good job I enjoy it, and the garden railway helps a great deal!

Cheers
John
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
In my experience, John, those that show don’t throw, but you just never know……

Beautiful day for gardening, John, but no doubt it won’t last so might as well strike while the iron’s hot :thumbs:

I love gardens and we’re both members of the RHS, however, I loathe gardening. Just need to feed the roses (which I pruned a couple of weeks ago) and water the Olive tree growing out of an old tin bath. Somewhere I saw the suggestion of feeding with Epsom salts? Heigh, Ho.

I suppose you can treat yourself to a ‘play’ with the garden railway once you’ve oiled your shears and returned them to the shed ;) Enjoy!

Btw: I made an early start this morning and got to the Model Shop as it was opening, so now I can try out plan B. However, my wife thinks a visit to NB model shop in the future is a great idea!

Thanks again.

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Just out of interest John @John57sharp, I’ve been planning a side venture for sometime now, something of a change from this mainline, urban theme, and a change in scale to boot.

The only reason I bring it to your attention in passing, John, is that it’s located on your side of the water.

In fact, it’s not something totally new; more of a revisit of a started but abandoned project from a couple of years or so ago.

The location? Seacombe.

Here’s a link to the previous thread shelved in the Cameo draw 'Seacombe': A glimpse.

Only this time, it’s a much whittled down version with only selected elements being presented. Everything - including track - will be built from new.

Just a bit of fun really, and an opportunity to show elements (as they’re constructed ) on the workbench thread.

Obviously with the amount of work still outstanding here, it won’t be an overnight jobby but hopefully its minuscule nature should help speed up the time frame.

Cheers.

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
After a rethink, I decided to look elsewhere for inspiration for window surrounds and found it on another ancient station, Green Lane, Birkenhead:

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After a quick dash earlier to pick up some suitable materials, I had a bash and produced this, seen here planted on top of one of the window reveals:

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I think it will fit the bill so will carry on with the rest.

Incidentally, I noticed that some of these styrene sections are not uniform along their length (discovered after part of a section wouldn’t fit into the appropriately sized groove in the mitre). At 2.5 mm width, I measured it and found that although some sections were indeed 2.5 in parts (and wouldn’t fit the groove), the rest were only 2mmm (and did fit!).

I suspected this might be the case when making my recently consigned set: the quarter round looked thicker in places and I reckon this is why some of the mitred joints saw adjoining parts out of kilter (higher/lower).

Although perhaps it’s just a case of a bad workman blaming his tools n all that……..

Thanks for bearing with me.

jonte
 

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
Wow! I'll just go and read all the back story and go from there. I think it's Grange Lane by the way. The facade is still in situ, just about.

I’ll be a few hours….
 

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
A brief update from me - just found this in my notes

the remains of Grange Lane Station, NOT Town Station. Grange Lane was Birkenhead’s first railway terminus, opened in September 1840 as the northern end of the newly-built Chester to Birkenhead line. But in October 1844 it was closed after a tunnel was built at the junction of Grange Lane and Tunnel Road to take trains onwards to Monks Ferry. All that remains of Grange Lane Station is part of the blue-painted façade of the building, which was later used as offices by the Aabacas crane-making company. Town Station, a substantial redbrick building, was built about 100 yards to the east of Grange Lane Station at the junction with Tunnel Road. It opened in 1889 and closed to passengers in 1945 and to all traffic in 1961. Today there is no visible remnant of it, and the site is hidden by hoardings and overgrown trees.

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jonte

Western Thunderer
Wow! I'll just go and read all the back story and go from there. I think it's Grange Lane by the way. The facade is still in situ, just about.

I’ll be a few hours….

Thanks, John :thumbs:

Indeed; a Freudian slip methinks with all this chat about Evergreen styrene strips :confused:

You may recall that Simon and another kind WT-er posted up some Google images t’other week of the location today or thereabouts.

Best,

Jon

Edit: cancel that last bit, John. Your comprehensive and most helpful missive arrived just as I was about to press ‘Send’ :thumbs:

Hope the gardening went wee, btw. Jon
 

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
Good morning! I've been reading back with my breakfast and enjoying catching up. This is a great project - I love your tin shed and the hoarding already. What a shame we lost all this useful infrastructure when we did, would have made a great light rail solution for the current age.

Glad you found a supply, and hope you enjoy your next visit to NB better than the previous…

More gardening today, trains too all being well.

Cheers
John
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Thanks, John.

Unfortunately the tin office/shed was binned some time ago when I decided not to progress.

The signal box remains (unfinished) somewhere or other, although I’ve decided to replace it with a type 5(!) LNWR job which has a similar appearance (there’s a reasonably priced kit available).

In my whittled down approach, only the terminus wall, platform ticket ‘hut’ and wooden waiting room (in what appears LMS cream) will be represented along with the signal box, concrete platform and a bill board or two.

The pair of tracks seen won’t be used; I’ve decided to keep everything parallel for ease of entry to the traverser, thus I’ll be building the points from kits. Despite the scant approach, I’m leaning more towards having a second set of points to the rear of the platform as per the prototype for increased interest. This would also mean I could have a pair of home starters again like the original.

Indeed, John, it’s a shame these lines were lost. Each time I view theses old shots, I always get the inkling that Wales- and thus the great outdoors - lies beyond the overbridge (handy scenic break!).

Good luck with the gardening, John. I’m on grand parenting duties today at my daughter’s so it was a (very) early start! According to the forecast, it’s cloudy for much of the day, but as I got to the park with my grandson it started to spit this side…….. so much for accuracy.

Thanks again for your kind interest, John.

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
A spot of progress to report:

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As can be seen, for this side of the building a laminated approach as per the Blackfriars build was adopted. Three times the cuts on 80/1000 sheets was taxing; the amount of glue and subsequent miasma worrying and overpowering. The cost of materials increasing costs somewhat.
Each of the three sides was weighted down for a couple of days before bringing together. Not a problem as I was busy elsewhere.

Next, I addressed the roof as previously with another laminated approach of an 80/1000 centre enclosed by thinner sheets of around 40/100.

This time I adopted a method I’ve used before, but not recently, which involved drilling holes in both outer sheets which not only allows vapour to escape but uses less glue, only the outer edges and holes receiving:

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I’d remembered this before laminating the sides, but it meant a trip to the garage and it was raining, so gave it a miss.
Today, the sun shone.

In all honesty, I’ve no real idea whether any of this works as most of my creations end up being consigned to the bin when interest wanes.

Whilst there are claims aplenty of success, can anybody really vouch for say fifteen or twenty years of an absence of warping; maybe just ten for that matter?

Luck of the draw me thinks.

Thanks for looking.

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jonte

Western Thunderer
Oh it’s always good when those apertures are finished. I hope this one works for you Jonte.

John

Thanks, John!

I think the (vast) reduction in glue application should help being the primary risk in all this. I suppose I could also have used the less reactive UHU for a belt n braces approach.

The holes, although appearing random, were drilled with both cards together, one on top of the other and arranged thus on top and below of the central section. With them being in line, any pull will be equal-ish and should cancel each other out. Well, that’s the thinking.

Cheers.

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Apologies for the inundation, however in a welcome break from ‘construction’, I returned to the creation of one of the many details that Oxford Road station sports I.e. architraving.

A closer look at those of Oxford Road, I realised I could find a use for the redundant quarter round purchased for the failed attempt at the second set of windows.
Here are the first couple of lengths produced attached to the rearmost part of the building, whose architraving I’d already started, albeit of my own design:

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And here with the roof temporarily in place; the new build placed behind to give me an idea of how it’s starting to look:

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I think the overall ‘composition’ is a major improvement (more harmonious) on the disjointed appearance of the original ‘Blackfriars’ version.

However, that’s just in my humble opinion and is not to detract from those kind enough to express their views about the original.

Thanks for your interest once again.

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