7mm Rob Pulham's Work Bench - Back (again) to the LNER 06 (MOK 8F)

[Rob Pulham]

Rob,

I'll be interested to know how that combination works as the motor you're referring too is a lower power and lower revving version of the Canon 1833 that's available from ABC, Roxey or Branchlines. On paper it's all but identical to the performance of the Mashima 1833, rather than the extraordinary version that's routinely available to us...

Steph

Hi Steph,
It seems to run smooth enough and I have had my implement wagon, fruit van and 6 wheeled milk van behind it without issue. Both the implement wagon and fruit van have a fair bit of lead in them. I used another one of these for Severn but to be honest I haven't given it enough running to be able to make fair comment.

Once the battery charges I will post some videos of it in action - nothing too exciting just up and down 2 yards of track

 

[Rob Pulham]

Just to prove it does actually move and pull something.

 

[Steve Cook]

Hi Steve, I started it a week last Saturday - so two weekends and about 2 hours each night through last week.

Thanks Rob Impressive rate of progress

 

[Rob Pulham]

Impressive rate of progress

Thanks Steve, It's as Cynric has said elsewhere, if you have a deadline it does focus the mind on getting it done.
But saying that I haven't done anything more with it for the last two days.

 

[Scale7JB]

Well how funny is that...

I'm demonstrating at the London show this weekend, and I was desperately thinking of something to do. Then I found someone had one of these trams for sale this week. Perfect I thought! Especially being a GE fan and Worsdell fan.

All set for having the kit running in S7 in two days at the show, and very interesting to see your build photographs!!

One thing I have cheated on is to add a little detail to the tops of the buffer beams with some scale hardware. I think I shall use some box section for the main beams in the coach work and also opening end doors... Possibly a tall order for a sprint build, but we shall see....

JB.

 

[Ressaldar]

Hi Rob,

great work as usual - you're in danger of getting me into the 'Small Item' suppliers listings if you not careful

cheers

Mike

 

[Dog Star]

I found someone had one of these trams for sale this week.....One thing I have cheated on is to add a little detail to the tops of the buffer beams with some scale hardware.

As Peter has built one in GER condition.... I am interested to ask.... what detail on the top of the buffer planks? We used drawings courtesy of Mr. Buckjumper and, as far as I recall, there was nothing on the top surface.

Forgot to add when writing about our model... the kit includes cast w/m parts for the buffer planks and the appearance did not do justice to the kit. I laminated some Exactoscale timbering to provide a ply strip of appropriate dimension and used Araldite to secure the ply to the brasswork.

JB - we cheated.... given the side skirts which hide the wheels... our "frame" is as supplied in the kit with washers to take up the excess side play for S7 wheelsets. By that subterfuge Peter's tram has been seen on "Normandy Junction" (32mm FS) and "Scrufts Junction" (S7).

regards, Graham

 

[Rob Pulham]

Well how funny is that...

very interesting to see your build photographs!!

One thing I have cheated on is to add a little detail to the tops of the buffer beams with some scale hardware. I think I shall use some box section for the main beams in the coach work and also opening end doors... Possibly a tall order for a sprint build, but we shall see....

JB.

Thanks Jonathan,

Graham has already beaten me to it by asking about the buffer beam detail. I haven't found any photos of sufficient quality to pick out such details. To be honest apart from the modification bits that I did, this was why it was very much a straight from the box build.

I like the idea of opening front doors - I have just looked at a photo with them open albeit on a J70 rather than a Y6. I look forward to seeing some photo's of how you get on with the sprint build.

Given that the wheel base for the J70 is only 6" longer than the Y6 I have already pondered on how easy it would be to make a J70 from one of Jim's Y6 kits. I can see there are some differences in the layout of the steps but if I built it with full side skirts with just the edge of the cylinders visible. I could make one with some fairly simple valve gear hidden away rather than the full walchearts.

What I am not sure abut at the moment is was the J70 body longer that the Y6?

Mmmmm.......

 

[Rob Pulham]

Hi Rob,

great work as usual - you're in danger of getting me into the 'Small Item' suppliers listings if you not careful

cheers

Mike

Cheers Mike. they have been very useful (and still lots more to go - including one more brass bell which I am saving just in case I do Dominion of Canada - Chria and I are going to the US and Canada for a holiday later in the year.)

I did have a bit of a battle with the buffer heads though. Not having enough screws that fit (only one had retained it's screw over time). I drilled and tapped the shanks 12BA and cut down some Slaters crank pin screws to suit. Which along with the accompanying Slaters crank pin washer retained the buffers nicely.

What was an absolute pain was managing to screw the screws into the shanks from the back of the buffer beam - they were so tiny and the only screw driver I had that would fit was magnetised making it pull the screw out as I tried to insert it while trying to stop the head from springing off into space. I reckon it took over an hour to get the four screws in

 

[Dog Star]

one more brass bell which I am saving just in case I do Dominion of Canada - Chria and I are going to the US and Canada for a holiday later in the year.)

Now that seems an excessive expense for modelling - especially as the engine is coming here.

Graham

 

[Dog Star]

... we cheated.... given the side skirts which hide the wheels... our "frame" is as supplied in the kit with washers to take up the excess side play for S7 wheelsets. By that subterfuge Peter's tram has been seen on "Normandy Junction" (32mm FS) and "Scrufts Junction" (S7).

If we have a S7 Tram which has run on 32mm FS.... then you could have a 32mm FS Tram which might enjoy an outing or five on a S7 layout!

Resistance might continue, we shall get you in the end!

 

[Scale7JB]

A couple of pictures of tram bits..

In the picture it does look like two rows of large domehead rivets, but i think it is just the extra shiney ex-works paint trying to confuse...

JB.

 

[Eastsidepilot]

Thanks Jonathan,
Given that the wheel base for the J70 is only 6" longer than the Y6 I have already pondered on how easy it would be to make a J70 from one of Jim's Y6 kits. I can see there are some differences in the layout of the steps but if I built it with full side skirts with just the edge of the cylinders visible. I could make one with some fairly simple valve gear hidden away rather than the full walchearts.
What I am not sure abut at the moment is was the J70 body longer that the Y6?
Mmmmm.......

If it's any help the J70 was 20'- 10.5" o/a buffers, where as the Y6 was 8" shorter o/a. The boilers were the same size.
If Ifind any more relevant info I'll post it up mate. I have the loco weight diagram info if you need info from that.

ATB, Col

JB, Definatly a reflection in the paint mate

Col

 

[John D]

Way back when Jim McG was in his garage in Sileby I had one of these kits and very nice it was too. Has he modified the chassis in the later kits ? as I have an idea that it was designed for larger diameter wheels than norm. as the correct 3ft(?) were not then available from Slaters. I guess it's academic in a way as the sidesheets cover everything ......but if we talking S7

 

[Rob Pulham]

Way back when Jim McG was in his garage in Sileby I had one of these kits and very nice it was too. Has he modified the chassis in the later kits ? as I have an idea that it was designed for larger diameter wheels than norm. as the correct 3ft(?) were not then available from Slaters. I guess it's academic in a way as the sidesheets cover everything ......but if we talking S7

Hi John, it still caters for the larger wheels.

 

[Rob Pulham]

If it's any help the J70 was 20'- 10.5" o/a buffers, where as the Y6 was 8" shorter o/a. The boilers were the same size.
If Ifind any more relevant info I'll post it up mate. I have the loco weight diagram info if you need info from that.

ATB, Col

JB, Definatly a reflection in the paint mate

Col

Thanks Colin, so we are talking 4.6mm in real terms on the model - that could be made up with a slightly thick buffer beam.

 

[Rob Pulham]

A couple of pictures of tram bits..

In the picture it does look like two rows of large domehead rivets, but i think it is just the extra shiney ex-works paint trying to confuse...

JB.

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Thanks for the photo's Jonathan. It may be a little late for me to add the rivet/bolt heads but I will have a look. I agree with Colin it does look like a reflection.

I do like those doors.

 

[Steph Dale]

Thanks for the photo's Jonathan. It may be a little late for me to add the rivet/bolt heads but I will have a look. I agree with Colin it does look like a reflection.

Rob,
There are always Archer transfers...
Steph

 

[Dog Star]

I have looked at those photos from Jonathan and I agree that the pictures show rivet/bolt heads.... the quality of the photograph and the paint work are such as to raise two questions:-

[1] how many rows of fixings? (that is, does the photo show two rows or one row plus reflections?)
[2] if one of the "visible" rows of fixings is a reflection... which?

For what it is worth.... I think that there is a row of "fixings" along the top of the wooden buffer plank with those fixings reflected in the vertical face behind the beam (or is that really a piece of angle?)

Rob, you could always unsolder the w/m and replace with real wood....

BTW - the photo is sufficiently early that there are no "side" guards to the footstep recess.

regards, Graham

 

[Rob Pulham]

Thanks Steph , I hadn't thought of those although I am aware of others having great results with them - TBH I have only ever associated them with 4mm for some reason.

I took a couple fo better quality videos last night before stripping it down ready for painting.