Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[John Palmer]

Lurking behind 44861 in img3618 can be seen an ex-LNWR combination truck now doing duty as a weighing machine adjustment van in the service of Henry Pooley, a company closely associated with the maintenance of weighbridges on railway premises. Details of a similar vehicle (possibly even the same one) can be found at GWR 2-8-0 2857 - LNWR 6-Wheel Covered Combination Truck No. DM395273 “The Pooley Van”.

The Witham history website at The history of Witham, Essex has some splendid photographs, taken from other viewpoints, of the area to be seen in img3614. Also a number of photographs showing the aftermath of the 1905 derailment of a Cromer-bound express.

 

[oldravendale]

Interesting comments there, chaps, although I appreciate that some were (I hope) rather flippant. If you wanted to see a hall full of entirely different looking locos you only had to go to the Southern. Even any two locos of the same class could and often did look entirely different. Your additional information is much appreciated, John @John Palmer regarding both the Pooley van and Witham.

Britannia 70044 Earl Haig at South Hampstead on a Euston to Manchester down train on 27th September 1958. Previously seen in post #1337 the loco was allocated to Longsight from December 1954, then Holbeck in December 1958. In September 1962 it became one of Crewe North's allocation but subsequently moved to Crewe South in June Newton Heath in August 1965 and finally Stockport Edgeley in June 1966. (SLS). It was withdrawn at the end of October 1966 and went to T W Ward, Beighton where it was scrapped by 20th February 1967 (BR Database and Rail UK).



Four photos of the same loco suggest that Tim was well aware that the days of the Midland Compounds were numbered. Here is 41094 at Kentish Town Shed Yard on 27th September 1958. The loco was allocated to Holbeck in April 1956 and was withdrawn in January 1959. (SLS). It was observed at Derby Works on 23rd May 1959 but scrapped at Crewe Works. (WHTS but verification required)









Class A2/2 60506 Wolf of Badenoch backing off the Kings Cross Station shed having been serviced on 11th October 1958 with N2 69582 in the background. The A2 had been allocated to New England since November 1949 and was withdrawn in April 1961. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works (BR Database) and reportedly cut up in the month of withdrawal. (WHTS).

The N2 had been a Hatfield engine since at least January 1948 (BR Database) and was transferred to New England in June 1959 where it was withdrawn in September 1960. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works, probably in January 1961. (SLS).



14XX 0-4-2T 1448 on shed at Slough on 12th October 1958. The loco was allocated to Slough in November 1950 and withdrawn in June 1960. (SLS). It was scrapped at Cashmore’s, Newport, in October 1960. (BR Database).



Brian

 

[Barry37]

Interesting comments there, chaps, although I appreciate that some were (I hope) rather flippant. If you wanted to see a hall full of entirely different looking locos you only had to go to the Southern. Even any two locos of the same class could and often did look entirely different. Your additional information is much appreciated, John @John Palmer regarding both the Pooley van and Witham.

Britannia 70044 Earl Haig at South Hampstead on a Euston to Manchester down train on 27th September 1958. Previously seen in post #1337 the loco was allocated to Longsight from December 1954, then Holbeck in December 1958. In September 1962 it became one of Crewe North's allocation but subsequently moved to Crewe South in June Newton Heath in August 1965 and finally Stockport Edgeley in June 1966. (SLS). It was withdrawn at the end of October 1966 and went to T W Ward, Beighton where it was scrapped by 20th February 1967 (BR Database and Rail UK).

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Four photos of the same loco suggest that Tim was well aware that the days of the Midland Compounds were numbered. Here is 41094 at Kentish Town Shed Yard on 27th September 1958. The loco was allocated to Holbeck in April 1956 and was withdrawn in January 1959. (SLS). It was observed at Derby Works on 23rd May 1959 but scrapped at Crewe Works. (WHTS but verification required)

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Class A2/2 60506 Wolf of Badenoch backing off the Kings Cross Station shed having been serviced on 11th October 1958 with N2 69582 in the background. The A2 had been allocated to New England since November 1949 and was withdrawn in April 1961. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works (BR Database) and reportedly cut up in the month of withdrawal. (WHTS).

The N2 had been a Hatfield engine since at least January 1948 (BR Database) and was transferred to New England in June 1959 where it was withdrawn in September 1960. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works, probably in January 1961. (SLS).

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14XX 0-4-2T 1448 on shed at Slough on 12th October 1958. The loco was allocated to Slough in November 1950 and withdrawn in June 1960. (SLS). It was scrapped at Cashmore’s, Newport, in October 1960. (BR Database).

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Brian

The wagon in front of 41094, seems to be an ex-PO wagon to the 1923 spec. Two planks have been replaced with thinner timber, requiring the use of packing behind the ironwork. Perhaps it was being used for loco ash as there appears to be a pit under the loco.
The wagon is unusual, in having a darker painted underframe, which was perhaps its PO livery on the body as well, before the latter was painted BR Freight Grey (it would appear).

 

[76043]

Good spot on that RCH wagon. Having the option of a black solebar adds variety and makes painting easier.
Tony

 

[Overseer]

The wagon in front of 41094, seems to be an ex-PO wagon to the 1923 spec. Two planks have been replaced with thinner timber, requiring the use of packing behind the ironwork. Perhaps it was being used for loco ash as there appears to be a pit under the loco.
The wagon is unusual, in having a darker painted underframe, which was perhaps its PO livery on the body as well, before the latter was painted BR Freight Grey (it would appear).

The wagon is in very unusual condition, without the photographic evidence I would have said it was a highly unlikely combination. The wartime thin planks were nearly all replaced with full thickness planks by the early 1950s - very few in photos after 1953. I haven’t seen evidence of ex-PO wagons being painted grey before 1957 (apart from one or two in 1948 livery trials). So the combination of thin planks and grey body is unusual, and the unrepainted solebar adds another level to the atypical wagon.

 

[timbowales]

The wagon is in very unusual condition, without the photographic evidence I would have said it was a highly unlikely combination. The wartime thin planks were nearly all replaced with full thickness planks by the early 1950s - very few in photos after 1953. I haven’t seen evidence of ex-PO wagons being painted grey before 1957 (apart from one or two in 1948 livery trials). So the combination of thin planks and grey body is unusual, and the unrepainted solebar adds another level to the atypical wagon.

Once again the exception that proves the rule?