Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[John Palmer]

The mineral wagon next to 6974 seems to be numbered P125?23. This lies within the block of numbers allocated to Wagon Repairs Ltd, Chesterfield for the purpose of re-numbering pooled ex-POs passing through their hands (See Vol. 1 of David Larkin's 'Acquired wagons' series, p.10 et seq.). That doesn't greatly aid identification other than slightly raising the possibility that it was a wagon having a Midlands origin, perhaps. This wagon had side, end and bottom doors, and these are covered in Vol.3 Chapter 13 of the Larkin series. I really can't bring myself to look for a likely match in the numbers David has listed in this chapter, but I am struck by the light coloured area on the left hand top part of the side door, and wonder whether this may be a surviving vestige of its former owners' livery. Is it conceivable that this is the lower part of the 'S' in 'Bolsover'? The placement looks about right for this.

 

[Martin Shaw]

70031 Byron, Both Irwell and the RCTS have it wdn 11/11/67, stored Kingmoor to 2/68, cut up McWilliams Shettleston 7/3/68. Notably McWilliams cut up nineteen Britannias between October 67 and March 68, about one week so it didn't take very long beside the rest of what they would have been doing.

4091 Dudley Castle, Irwell also has this as the first Castle to be withdrawn.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

Is it conceivable that this is the lower part of the 'S' in 'Bolsover'? The placement looks about right for this.

I appreciate identification would be almost impossible without knowing the disposition of colliery private owner wagons following the nationalisation of the collieries in 1947 and railways in 1948.

I don't think it is likely to be Bolsover though. Bolsover was lettered as an arc on their wagons with the SO at the top of the arc in the top three planks - as seen in this photo at Mansfield Colliery - you have to scroll down the bottom of the page as it's a bus and tram website.

Mansfield District Trams

 

[timbowales]

Dave, that is a delightful rabbit hole!

 

[Barry37]

From other sources on the internet, I think it may be this:

G R Griffin, “What Happened to the Private Owner Wagons?” Journal of The Historical Model Railway Society, Vol 16 No 11, pp 425-428, July 1999.

Cheers

Jan

Probably the one I was thinking of – I was still a member at that time.